Bifilar Chokes Inductors Ballast Stanley A Meyer Voltrolysis
Now for the inductor
a inductor is a device that stores power for a time and releases it slowly
Stan used a bifillar wound inductor ,bi mean 2 to restrict theee amps in the circuit he also employ ZERO NO electrolytes or salts, and a Gate time 3 sec to avoind the amp draw. Hee we Discuss the Chokes we Sell and how to make them and use them .
Operating Parameters / Specifications
The are many ways to make the inductors shapes sizes styles,
at this stage the Hot Rod Industry is basically using the specifiications left by Stan for his size cells and are completely replicating with success exactly what Stan did, on his alternator and inductors and on the 8XA,9XB,9XA and vic.
The main Choke Ballst discussed on this page is the e core e52, which can be used for the majority of installs to start out with.
You can use it on 1 tube cell on on 10 in series, you can use 1x e core per cell also, it can be used on gas processor and or led arrays , and can be used on steam applications and also on the 11 tubecell.
Stan had over 11 ways or versions sets most of which used these e core or a alternator with re wound chokes inside it also.
Many builder make the mistake of thinking that have to use the Toroid vic transformer with chokes on the same core as the primary and secondary.
in fact that as one of the last design version and hard to balance and tune lc resonance tank circuit.
. so why not use and deploy the other 9 to 10 version ? using the
E core. and tubes cells, well that is exactly what has finally happend every one now knows it is easy.
remember tubes cells have a larger diameter cathode outer tube surface are than the inner annode -with a 1 mm to 2mm gap
this aids the production of gas with out electrolyte, and makes x 3.57 times more gas when several tubes togther
more than just using equal sized flat plates.
The choke also work on restricting amps and sending voltage to that larger surface dbd barrier area on cathod outer tube .
this page will focus on the 3 core, other chokes from 9xg alternator /voltanator, and the vic bobbin1 and vic bobbin 2 on other pages
inductor.......stores power.....slows power......
meyer used a bifillar wind.............2 wires
ferrite core...very dense powered and then compressed
this is the core of the inductor
8XA Bifilar inductor
•9 Mar 2014
The Bi filar Winding and Loose wind of this choke
this is a Very Special Chock made by Stan and Stephen .
How to build is on OUr Website
9xa / 9xb Sections
the ferrite core
ferrite is used in inductors and transformers. mainly in high frequency aplications.
you can use ferrite fro high frequency, iron for low frequency, and in some aplications you can use air
what I can make out from Stan's writing on this inductor, It says (56 - 62)
Is this the numbers of turns variation on this inductor?
14 x 4 =56 15 x 5 = 62 or did he used smaller gauge as it would be a tight fit for 18AWG?
18 ga wire = 4 layers of 13 turns thats 52 turns
don gabel said it was 18 ga,
but he never unwrapped it so if it was slightly smaller wire 4 layers and 14 turns,
then you would get 56 6 more turns of one side may fit to get the 56-62
math says 19 ga adds up to those numbers i ordered 19 ga wire
Coil Winding Pic this is for th special look chokes coils
it is hard to show this pic as high res
if you want it down load it here
Here is a 62 turn Inductor coil choke made for the 9xa/b As discussed in this forum some of us wanted to know what the 56-62 on Stan's choke meant. We think it is possible that Stan may have used the 19 A.W.G wire and if he did then the numbers of the 56-62 match!
I believe it was possible for me to make this a 64 turn choke with this wire but that would be max! I used 0.92mm paper spacers x4 between layers, that is (about) the thickness of the wire. picture may look like they are not all the same, but they are as the edge may not be. 15 1/2 turn per layer x4 and still able to close the gap of the E core if need be. please note: I can not test this out yet as I still need to order a veriac and meters. All in good time
I would still like to find out what happened if you don't use the spacers between the layers? I would still like to find out what happened if you fill up the E core with as many windings as you can? Thinking it might come in handy if you are to build a big HHO unit to match the capacitance.
Another thing about this inductor,
A few Builder have said they hit resonance with the 8xa,at what freq?
because 54 turns is very few turns,small coils resonate at very high freq...Also JL naudin hits resonance with a bif coil similar to Stan's but at 47Khz,Tony with 4H bif coils.....Cheers!!!
the inductor here is what stan used in his 8xa, so it will work with the big tube set. a tank circuit, is what i have told everyone, and what meyer descibes. in a tank circuit, there are 3 variables. inductance, capacitance, frequency. take this -------------------------- x ----------- y ---------------------------------------------- z lets call them xyz x is frequency y is inductance z is capacitance -------------------------- y ----------- x ---------------------------------------------- z -------------------------- y ----------- z ---------------------------------------------- x
these will all resonate it is just like tuning in a radio. as i have said. to listen to your favorite station, you have to tune the radio to resonate with that station in this case our favorite station is 120hz. rectified house power. tune the radio in to match. in meyers battery circuit, our station is 5khz
NO! not in this instance. the scr chops rectified power at the "bump" in the pulse. the scr simply will not function as faster then 120 hz. the pulse train is the 120 hz, the scr makes the gate. resonance is not a magic frequency, resonance is a matched frequency with all componates. tony talks over and over about AC...........AC does not make HHO scr s will latch if not used correctly. the 8xa circuit is 120hz main frequency, and the scr cuts off that frequency, as a gate. the 8xa is a tuned circuit to match 120 hz. on time of the pulse train is the same as the off time.............this is the 8xa circuit, using the 9xb driver with an scr. i stand behind what i say here. this is fact. it works just like tuning a radio
i still use the first cores i wound. i believe they were ec 52
if your core is straight then you have losses out the ends. if you have a teroid, the flux lines stay in the ring. if you have a closed E and I core, the flux tends to stay in the core, mostly, with limited losses. i think what bussi was telling you, is your core will have a huge gap, because the magnetic flux would want to flow from the center core to the side core. when you gap a Ecore, there is a loss at the gap. a small gap can be fine, a huge gap is a huge loss. there is some point that the gap is just too large. however a straight core is more like a magnet. when we get into higher frequencies and skin effects, this is different then a saturated core effect. the welding rods act as a laminated core, and yes open ended. the key to all cores are saturation and reflection, as well as magnetic loss, and reabsorbing the flux they sale a magnetic paper type material. you can view the flux lines in the paper. it is fairly cheep
here is a good video that i think may help you for it did me. When he gets to showing the inductor, capacitor and the lite bulb part as he says pay close attention to what he is doing. Pretend the lite bulb is the water in you cell. Once you watch this video several times and you fully understand it you will see how and what you can do to make the bulb lite or in our case the water to make gas. This is the same setup as the 8xA with a fixed frequency. Also notice you can move the inductor in and out to change the frequency. That is the same thing as gaping the core as Max talks about. But keep in mind that you can only gap a core so much, it is not like a rod core that you can slide in and out.
if you look at meyers patents and drawings. as well as the demo tube set, and other material. you will see that he turned off cell sets, and adjusted the tube legths.........this adjusts the capacitance of the cell. removing or adding wire turns will change the inductance of the inductor. and so will sliding the core in or out, as well as different permabilaties. too much gap and you change a lot of things. flux leakage can come from a wide gap. a gap normally is an amount of flux leakage. open ended inductors have much flux loss. E cores mated to an E or I will have less loss, and a teroid will have the least loss.
One thing I found out about gaping a core If anyone takes this route. Is if you use a E core only gap the center leg that your bobbin is on using sand paper, lay the sand paper on a flat surface that will allow you to only sand the center leg and slide the core along the sand paper and gauge it after each time you slide it across the sand paper, just the center leg of the core. If you decide to use this method start out using a piece of 40 gauge wire as a gauge for the gap. I would not advise anyone to go over a 30 gauge wire gap as Max pointed out there will be to much flux leakage.
Step-Charge effect without Bifilar Inductors
•2 Feb 2015
Step-Charge" effect with Bifilar Inductors
•4 Feb 2015
This effect can be created with only one Inductor (e.g. only positive Inductor), but the Waveform is not symmetrical ! The Inductor with the Water capacitor create frequency dependent circuit. Stephen Meyer's Original device work on different way! High-Frequency sinusoidal signal (about 13,5 kHz) is created from rotating car alternator. "Gate" Frequency (about 600 Hz) is formed from Relay controlled switches:
In Patent US4936961A Stanley Meyer present what is a "Resonant charging choke": The overall circuit is characterized as a "resonant charging choke" circuit which is an inductor in series with a capacitor that produces a resonant circuit. [SAMS Modern Dictionary of Electronics, Rudolff Garff, © 1984, Howard W. Sams & Co. (Indianapolis, Ind.), page 859.] Such a resonant charging choke is on each side of the capacitor.